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>> i do, look at, south florida, and history repeats itself, in early 90s went down the tube first in housing, then bounced back with a international market driven bilat inamerica -- latin america, again south florida down tube, and bounces back, a at peak of recession. there are about only 1,000 unsole development unit, and new development project in the miami-deamiami-dade area. neil: let me ask you. it might surprise that you president won't come on fox. why issue there no more guys like you in the administration in is that by design he keeps really smart business guys away and would rather have a bunch of academics? >> i think that president wants best and brightest, he was the sensitive -- he was also the president was sensitive to "wall street journal" and those of us in private sector. neil: woot? wall street? >> we were persevered to have been a part of this recession, i am happy with the limited role i can play. i'm not the kind of person that could work for anyone else other than the people. neil: here is my fear about the obama administration. they don't have your open busi
>> i do, look at, south florida, and history repeats itself, in early 90s went down the tube first in housing, then bounced back with a international market driven bilat inamerica -- latin america, again south florida down tube, and bounces back, a at peak of recession. there are about only 1,000 unsole development unit, and new development project in the miami-deamiami-dade area. neil: let me ask you. it might surprise that you president won't come on fox. why issue there no more guys...
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that is because they are still counting the ballots down in florida. as of this morning just six-tenths of a percentage point separated the president and governor romney. most of the remaining ballots are from miami-dade county because there was a last minute wave of absentee ballots that have yet to be processed. if the president wins florida, it will increase his electoral count but not change the outcome of the election. after months of campaigning and hundreds of thousands of phone calls, washington looks very much the same. next hour, the same. how many segments, how many dollars, how many discussions? the same. next hour we're going to speak to karl rove to explain what he really thinks happened on tuesday. how did the republicans lose? and we will get his thoughts on that a couple days after. ♪ megyn: a major setback today for millions in the northeast still recovering from the last week's devastating hurricane sandy. powerful winds, rain and snow -- i mean, it was blizzard conditions around here in many places last night -- knocking out power
that is because they are still counting the ballots down in florida. as of this morning just six-tenths of a percentage point separated the president and governor romney. most of the remaining ballots are from miami-dade county because there was a last minute wave of absentee ballots that have yet to be processed. if the president wins florida, it will increase his electoral count but not change the outcome of the election. after months of campaigning and hundreds of thousands of phone calls,...
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be more on perception no coverage publicans by and large if you were to look at or it's important to florida because you are too far if you want to approach every whatever little tweaks you guys are willing to make on these issues immigration whatever it's a bridge too far we're not close not going to do that you know and it was you let's let's talk about the tea party right is that we want to get into because you mention in the in the first second. party this morning i want to flip the stars to those conservative event that had a bunch of people that go various people who are very upset with how the romney campaign played out but these tea party representatives several of them vocalize support for comprehensive immigration reform and i really do think and this is not just like slightly edging into it i mean this is something where republicans really could go out of the campaign on a comprehensive education or a very sort of i was ronald reagan in a choir room is going to talk about a conservative but they don't dare say it out loud we're they'll get straight to give amnesty to six million p
be more on perception no coverage publicans by and large if you were to look at or it's important to florida because you are too far if you want to approach every whatever little tweaks you guys are willing to make on these issues immigration whatever it's a bridge too far we're not close not going to do that you know and it was you let's let's talk about the tea party right is that we want to get into because you mention in the in the first second. party this morning i want to flip the stars...
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the latest on that race in florida, coming up. where others fail, droid powers through. introducing the new droid razr maxx hd by motorola. now more than ever droid does. when the doctor told me that i could smoke for the first week... i'm like...yeah, ok... little did i know that one week later i wasn't smoking. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these stop taking chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serus allergic or skin reaction to it. if you develop these stop taking chantix and see your doctor right away as some can be life-threatening. if you have a history of heart or blood vessel problems, tell your doctor if you have new or worse symptom
the latest on that race in florida, coming up. where others fail, droid powers through. introducing the new droid razr maxx hd by motorola. now more than ever droid does. when the doctor told me that i could smoke for the first week... i'm like...yeah, ok... little did i know that one week later i wasn't smoking. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility,...
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equality was approved in maine maryland and washington state anti-tax measures were defeated in oregon florida and michigan again isn't this a very very progressive election and so these issues what does this mean for the country going forward to say something now in california. that didn't jerry brown's tax measure it actually was approved yeah anti-tax measures these these that i think that were i think that this was about this was a very good year for obama's get out the vote activities he was able to identify his voters and get them to the polls and i think the more of them that's the real and what that did was that helped a lot of other things there are a lot of ballots you had a lot of you have a lot of maybe his his coattails were reflected in these ballot initiatives also i think that there were a lot of people predisposed to vote for these things who got a ride to the polls by the obama campaign could this have anything to do with the fact that in the twenty five blue states that raised taxes and increased spending over the last three years we saw unemployment go down and g.d.p. go up
equality was approved in maine maryland and washington state anti-tax measures were defeated in oregon florida and michigan again isn't this a very very progressive election and so these issues what does this mean for the country going forward to say something now in california. that didn't jerry brown's tax measure it actually was approved yeah anti-tax measures these these that i think that were i think that this was about this was a very good year for obama's get out the vote activities he...
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., with rising stars like florida senator marco rubio, encouraging the party to recognize the count re's demographic changes. the focus may start shifting over the next four years. here with advice for republicans going forward, a man who knows the party inside and out, former presidential candidate himself, patrick buchanan. and fox political analyst, i believe i owe him and beckel and a burch of people dinner. though i didn't bet -- not at all. i don't want to get in trouble -- >> hey, wait a minute! >> sean: i bet -- i pay my bets off. congratulations. patrick -- >> i can tell you, you are a gracious man. [chuckles] >> sean: listen, i am glad to you. patrick j. buchanan. you have talked for years and have been excoriate audio excoriated -- beaten up about america's changing demographics. pat buchanan, is this what you were trying talk about in your books, one after another that have gotten a lot of people fired up about you? >> indeed, it was. i believe i have a chapter in my last book, suicide of a super power, which was not well received at ms-nbc, it's call the the white party. i u
., with rising stars like florida senator marco rubio, encouraging the party to recognize the count re's demographic changes. the focus may start shifting over the next four years. here with advice for republicans going forward, a man who knows the party inside and out, former presidential candidate himself, patrick buchanan. and fox political analyst, i believe i owe him and beckel and a burch of people dinner. though i didn't bet -- not at all. i don't want to get in trouble -- >> hey,...
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a vegetable fight in florida. a man in orlando has gotten more than 200 signatures to keep his veggie garden in his front yard. city officials say it's against code. they want him to dig it up. he will go before the code board next month. >> with the election out of the way and gasoline prices still hurting families out there many are eager to know what the president is going to do about the keystone pipeline. here is diane mass doe with more. >> it is a tricky issue he has environmentalists on one side a union from the other. two groups who help form on the. he deferred the decision on the pipeline. with the election now over you can expect both those troops and much of the rest of the country will want an answer on this. within hours of the election results supporters and opponents of the keystone project were already making their case. it will bring oil sands to gulf coast remifinerirefineries. but supporters say the pipeline would be a major step toward energy independence and would instantly create jobs and h
a vegetable fight in florida. a man in orlando has gotten more than 200 signatures to keep his veggie garden in his front yard. city officials say it's against code. they want him to dig it up. he will go before the code board next month. >> with the election out of the way and gasoline prices still hurting families out there many are eager to know what the president is going to do about the keystone pipeline. here is diane mass doe with more. >> it is a tricky issue he has...
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today they concedeed florida. obama goes to re-election with 332 electoral votes, extremely decisive. he has a lot of clout. >> greg: the campaign is like buying a printer at staples. you know looks good in the box. slow to get started. once it started going it was pretty good. then near the end it got wiped out by hurricane sandy. >> eric: leave here, quickly, a long time fast you have watched the show, months ago i recommended eric bernstein who ran the campaign to step aside. after that, the obama camp rolling out of -- >> bob: would have made no difference. >> eric: we want to leigh you with dennis miller on o'reilly last night. things are so tough, so tough, miller had to make changes already. listen. >> i just want to tell you, give you the final word. this is no longer silk. my pocket squares are now paper towels. [ laughter ] >> eric: coming up, charles krauthammer has some controversial advice on republicans for amnesty for illegals question. we'll hear from the doctor when we come back. ♪ ♪ [ male an
today they concedeed florida. obama goes to re-election with 332 electoral votes, extremely decisive. he has a lot of clout. >> greg: the campaign is like buying a printer at staples. you know looks good in the box. slow to get started. once it started going it was pretty good. then near the end it got wiped out by hurricane sandy. >> eric: leave here, quickly, a long time fast you have watched the show, months ago i recommended eric bernstein who ran the campaign to step aside....
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you have these guys coming in in places like florida. and cliff stearns was leading the solyndra investigation. but he could not make it happen. it was not enough for his district. and i have a large animal that wants to see term limits and so on and so forth coming in. on the other side, you have a longtime democratic members retiring and been replaced. >> and then you have the fiscal votes. john boehner manage to round up republicans on the oversight of the caucus and joined with nancy pelosi and the government kept running. they put together the budget control act. they put together this bipartisan coalition. nobody wanted to take credit for it because it was embarrassing to the republicans to go back home and say, in the end, we are running the government in a bipartisan way. yes, there will be ideological hotheads. but even among those freshmen, when they start feeling the pressure about the fiscal cliff approaching from the big factories, is that what they really want? i think it will get it done. >> it seems to me, there are two f
you have these guys coming in in places like florida. and cliff stearns was leading the solyndra investigation. but he could not make it happen. it was not enough for his district. and i have a large animal that wants to see term limits and so on and so forth coming in. on the other side, you have a longtime democratic members retiring and been replaced. >> and then you have the fiscal votes. john boehner manage to round up republicans on the oversight of the caucus and joined with nancy...
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skilled and when we saw the votes coming in, in ohio and virginia -- first it was virginia, and then in florida, there was a sense this could be an earlier evening than we thought. >> we looked at the demographics. pretty much across the board you had a good night on women, independents, you know, younger people, african-americans, latinos, asians, it was a pretty big sweeping area of people coming in to vote again for you guys. were you pleased about the level of the turnout? >> oh, absolutely. and the breadth of it, the question that was being raised on the other side was whether the obama coalition that served him so well in 2008 would come out again. and so one of the things we saw very early, and even before the polls closed when, you know, just looking at the turnout, was that we were getting strong turnout among the very groups you were talking about. and that was encouraging. >> the inevitable inquest into why republicans lost. if you were putting your strategist hat on and looking at their campaign, where do you think in the end they lost it? >> i think the problem for their republican
skilled and when we saw the votes coming in, in ohio and virginia -- first it was virginia, and then in florida, there was a sense this could be an earlier evening than we thought. >> we looked at the demographics. pretty much across the board you had a good night on women, independents, you know, younger people, african-americans, latinos, asians, it was a pretty big sweeping area of people coming in to vote again for you guys. were you pleased about the level of the turnout? >>...
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absent breaking news, i bring you no precinct returns from florida. i'd like to spend more time on why this is happened, and what that means for us going forward. first, i share the admiration all around for president obama's campaign team. they were tech nickically close to perfect in the first responsibility of a campaign team, that is to identify and turn out voters. they planned it. they executed it. every step of the way, they knew what votes they needed, got out and got them. they began weeks before election day banking favorable votes in states where they had already had people on the ground preplabbed to produce. again, technically, a superb operation, one to set the standard for future campaigns and now you identify your voters, encourage them to turn out, and perhaps some people think by the fourth or fifth visit or phone call verging on harassment to turn themçó out, t it worked. the point i want to make beyond that, however, because i think that technical aspects get a lot of attention, but i want to point out how much of this is actuall
absent breaking news, i bring you no precinct returns from florida. i'd like to spend more time on why this is happened, and what that means for us going forward. first, i share the admiration all around for president obama's campaign team. they were tech nickically close to perfect in the first responsibility of a campaign team, that is to identify and turn out voters. they planned it. they executed it. every step of the way, they knew what votes they needed, got out and got them. they began...
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we're talking about florida. the sunshine state remains too close to call with the president leading the vote at the last check. the final rendering could be close at hand. we just learned this morning that miami-dade elections officials are kouncounting 500 absentee ballots and should be finished sometime today. joining me, congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, also chair of the dnc. we need to dig in and talk about your home state of florida. we talked about it many times this hour. >> my favorite subject. >> you said that florida would be delivered. the coveted electoral votes would go in the president's favor. here we are now, florida the only state not declared. we saw the images of long voting lines in florida. that's going to be ingrained in people's minds. some people waiting up to six hours to vote. it's another checkered dot on florida's voting history. explain where we stand right now with the count and why it's taking so long. how can hindsight be 20/20 moving forward in your state? >> i was confide
we're talking about florida. the sunshine state remains too close to call with the president leading the vote at the last check. the final rendering could be close at hand. we just learned this morning that miami-dade elections officials are kouncounting 500 absentee ballots and should be finished sometime today. joining me, congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, also chair of the dnc. we need to dig in and talk about your home state of florida. we talked about it many times this hour....
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in florida, the percentage of hispanic voters went up to 17% from 14% in 2008. the composition changed and it has grown from what it was just a few years ago with more puerto ricans making up the hispanic vote in florida. democrats rule to keep their edge in the overall electorate, a shock to many people that the overall partisan composition of the electorate looked so similar to 2008, with democrats holding a six. age. the other big demographic story of tuesday's election was women. our first poll after the first debate, when romney did so well and obama did so poorly, showed the gender gap almost closing entirely. it had to be a shock for a lot of democrats to look that old. there were other polls that showed the same thing. romney really make gains among women after that first debate. in part, he was seen as a little bit more moderate. the issues that came up in that debate, there very few social issues coming up in that debate. but by election day, the gender gap had not only gone back to normal, it probably went bigger than normal. women favored obama by 11
in florida, the percentage of hispanic voters went up to 17% from 14% in 2008. the composition changed and it has grown from what it was just a few years ago with more puerto ricans making up the hispanic vote in florida. democrats rule to keep their edge in the overall electorate, a shock to many people that the overall partisan composition of the electorate looked so similar to 2008, with democrats holding a six. age. the other big demographic story of tuesday's election was women. our first...
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it did provide a sufficient votes for democrats in florida, virginia, and ohio. so, you know, the signs were they did pretty well if not as well as twaict and then did well enough. >> just on the one brief comment on the early voting karl rove whose analysis was not distinguished this time either. [laughter] also i've got kind bemewsessed when he said the early voting isn't going to work. they have a massive effort to get the early votes in part of ohio where there's been the war on coal and those republicans who are going to come forward. i thought what he's saying is axelrod are more ons. he's getting anybody who says they were a democrat out to the polls. they really targeting individuals in an extraordinarily successful way. you don't need to look at the overnumber numbers. it's who they were turning out. they did it in a fashion that would be enhanced in the future in part because of efforts to block votes on election day, to clog up the lines at the polls, and the kinds of things we saw in florida especially. those voting wars are going to be accelerated as
it did provide a sufficient votes for democrats in florida, virginia, and ohio. so, you know, the signs were they did pretty well if not as well as twaict and then did well enough. >> just on the one brief comment on the early voting karl rove whose analysis was not distinguished this time either. [laughter] also i've got kind bemewsessed when he said the early voting isn't going to work. they have a massive effort to get the early votes in part of ohio where there's been the war on coal...
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then there's florida. we still haven't called in the presidential race, because of the law that requires an automatic recount if the margin is less than .5%. right now with some of those absentee ballots counted, it is just above the less than .5%. if it gets to that, here's what i can tell you. republicans in the state would like it waived but mitt romney's campaign would have to waive the automatic recount. they don't want to spend the money. >>> now back to the fiscal cliff face-off. president obama and speaker boehner said all the right things about trying to avoid the worst case scenario but both sides also made a to interpo draw some lines. the question is are they in the sand? are they painted? is there going to be easily blown away? we'll see. capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell, you're back. guess what, kelly? there's no vacation. there's no post-election rest. we're diving right in. read between the lines for me here. what did you hear and listen to yesterday? >> i was pacing myself for th
then there's florida. we still haven't called in the presidential race, because of the law that requires an automatic recount if the margin is less than .5%. right now with some of those absentee ballots counted, it is just above the less than .5%. if it gets to that, here's what i can tell you. republicans in the state would like it waived but mitt romney's campaign would have to waive the automatic recount. they don't want to spend the money. >>> now back to the fiscal cliff...
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, florida, florida. florida, florida, florida! >> i heard something that hurt me. willie geist actually said that florida didn't matter on "way too early." well, my nose and face disagree. recount! they're talking about a recount. >> i don't want to see this. >> well, i do. >> obama senior campaign advisor david axelrod is here to try to settle his bet with joe. apparently you have to grow a mustache. i'm going to try and prevent this. i have a hope, a diplomatic solution. we'll be right back. hey. hey eddie. i brought your stuff. you don't have to do this. yes i do. i want you to keep this. it'd be weird. take care. you too. so how did it go? he's upset. [ male announcer ] spend less time at gas stations with best in class fuel economy. it's our most innovative altima ever. now get a $199 per month lease on a 2013 nissan altima. ♪ ♪ wasted days and wasted nights ♪ >> i will come on "morning joe" and i will shave off my mustache of 40 years if we lose any of those three states. >> so if you lose mi
, florida, florida. florida, florida, florida! >> i heard something that hurt me. willie geist actually said that florida didn't matter on "way too early." well, my nose and face disagree. recount! they're talking about a recount. >> i don't want to see this. >> well, i do. >> obama senior campaign advisor david axelrod is here to try to settle his bet with joe. apparently you have to grow a mustache. i'm going to try and prevent this. i have a hope, a...
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the only state has yet to call is florida. where president obama leads. he has won the popular vote. the 113th congress will be composed of a democratic majority in the senate with 53 democrats, a two seat increase, as well as 45 republicans and two independents. at least one of which will caucus with the democrats. in the house of representatives, returns will retain the majority. nbc news projects that once the votes are counted, republicans will hold 236 and democratics will hold 199 steets. nate silver, as reported here every night, correctly predicted the electoral outcome in all 50 states and the district of columbia, assuming florida tips towards president obama as it now appears it will. last night voters made history on the issue of same sex marriage, a marriage equalifity referendum has passed in maine and maryland and is on track to pass in washington state. those states become the first to approve same sex marriage through a ballot measure in our nation's history. and in minnesota voters rejected a state constitutional amendment limiting marri
the only state has yet to call is florida. where president obama leads. he has won the popular vote. the 113th congress will be composed of a democratic majority in the senate with 53 democrats, a two seat increase, as well as 45 republicans and two independents. at least one of which will caucus with the democrats. in the house of representatives, returns will retain the majority. nbc news projects that once the votes are counted, republicans will hold 236 and democratics will hold 199 steets....
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in ohio, michigan, pennsylvania, florida, and virginia. i would also throw out that there were several democratic senate nominee is who were elected, who benefited from a substantial african-american vote. more than a quarter of the votes in missouri were african- american. sherrod brown, and in ohio, almost more than 30% of his votes were from african- americans. bob casey, more than 20% of his votes in pennsylvania came from african-americans. the success the democrats had with their senate candidates this year dovetails very nicely with president obama's campaign in terms of turning out african-american voters. i the guy will stop there and entertain questions >> do we have any questions? >> [inaudible] [indiscernible] >> you talk about some of as being regional, what are your thoughts on some of the patterns of the patterns you see in terms of that regional stuff? is there anything that jumps out at you? >> last year at this time, i was presenting a paper called resegregation in southern politics. i have not had the chance this morning
in ohio, michigan, pennsylvania, florida, and virginia. i would also throw out that there were several democratic senate nominee is who were elected, who benefited from a substantial african-american vote. more than a quarter of the votes in missouri were african- american. sherrod brown, and in ohio, almost more than 30% of his votes were from african- americans. bob casey, more than 20% of his votes in pennsylvania came from african-americans. the success the democrats had with their senate...
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election deadlock, florida style. certainly not a thing of the past. a big question mark still hangs over the state's 29 electoral votes days after voters headed to the polls. and now there is growing frustration. >> moving forward i will do whatever it takes to insure that this does not happen again in lee county. jenna: some emotion there. phil keating live in miami now. phil? >> reporter: well the miami mayor called it inexcusable and south florida congressional representative says quote, this election was a disaster and the election, well, it is still is continuing in the state of florida. look at the latest vote tally coming in from the secretary of state's office up in tallahassee. shows governor mitt romney winning 49.25% of the vote and representative or president obama winning 49.89% of the vote. keeping the president in the lead right now by 53,250 votes. inside the ballot counting room in miami-dade county, this is what you're seeing this morning. the election continuing. still being counted are absentee ballots in the four counties around m
election deadlock, florida style. certainly not a thing of the past. a big question mark still hangs over the state's 29 electoral votes days after voters headed to the polls. and now there is growing frustration. >> moving forward i will do whatever it takes to insure that this does not happen again in lee county. jenna: some emotion there. phil keating live in miami now. phil? >> reporter: well the miami mayor called it inexcusable and south florida congressional representative...
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and about 8,000 in florida. she originally recruited willie nelson as her vice president before he backed out. they campaigned on a platform included legalization of marijuana. >> shocking. >> colorado and washington. resource based economy. and forgiveness of student loans. thousand on line they would prefer porn legend ron jeremy. >> well he does take a lot of positions. >> she tweeted. thank you for keeping me on track. i do not concede. in fact, i accept the job of unofficial president of the united states of america. i will serve main street not wall street. >> roseanne. president roseanne. wouldn't that be something, man. >> it would be something. >> speaking of politics here, vice president joe biden, an interesting role here. going to appear on november 15th episode of "parks and recreation" the funny show, amy pohler. of "saturday night live" fame. her character, councilwoman on the show has a huge crush on the vice president. her fiance in the show takes her to the white house and bumps into biden face
and about 8,000 in florida. she originally recruited willie nelson as her vice president before he backed out. they campaigned on a platform included legalization of marijuana. >> shocking. >> colorado and washington. resource based economy. and forgiveness of student loans. thousand on line they would prefer porn legend ron jeremy. >> well he does take a lot of positions. >> she tweeted. thank you for keeping me on track. i do not concede. in fact, i accept the job of...
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. >>> to politics now, where we still don't know who won florida. too close to call for either mitt romney or president obama right now. absentee ballots are still being counted in six counties. saturday, november 10th, is the deadline, the fourth day after a general election, to report the numbers. election officials blame the delay on a long ballot there, 11 constitutional amendment questions, and officials have promised to get it right the next time. >> and to those who got discouraged and left without voting, moving forward, i will do whatever it takes to ensure that this does not happen again in lee county. >> vice president joe biden will appear on next week's episode of "parks and recreation" on our sister network nbc. amy poehler's character leslie knope apparently loses control during their meeting, according to "entertainment weekly." >>> and a mother who gave birth in kenya decided to name her newborn twins barack obama and mitt romney. the first one was barack, and the second is baby mitt. they are both adorable. >>> if you read one thin
. >>> to politics now, where we still don't know who won florida. too close to call for either mitt romney or president obama right now. absentee ballots are still being counted in six counties. saturday, november 10th, is the deadline, the fourth day after a general election, to report the numbers. election officials blame the delay on a long ballot there, 11 constitutional amendment questions, and officials have promised to get it right the next time. >> and to those who got...
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martha: there is growing frustration in florida. the race for the sunshine state's 29 electoral votes still technically too close to call. some voters spent up to seven hours waiting to cast their ballot and now they're angry the effort didn't end up in the decision to call the race. unusual situation for florida. >> definitely they need a new system. they need someone to get in there to do things better. martha: election officials in florida are still counting absentee and provisional ballots. bill: yeah they are. house intelligence committee now will plan to hold a closed-door hearing next week on the deadly attack on our consulate in libya. among those expected to testify, head of the cia, david petraeus. now republican congressman jason chaffetz back home in utah, a member of the house oversight government reform committee that had its own hearings two weeks ago. welcome back to "america's newsroom.". catherine herridge is reporting that the list of suspects after the raid on our consulate in benghazi that killed our u.s. ambass
martha: there is growing frustration in florida. the race for the sunshine state's 29 electoral votes still technically too close to call. some voters spent up to seven hours waiting to cast their ballot and now they're angry the effort didn't end up in the decision to call the race. unusual situation for florida. >> definitely they need a new system. they need someone to get in there to do things better. martha: election officials in florida are still counting absentee and provisional...